Here we go lets try & get some Answers, First up the Face of the Chief Minister's Position.
“Will the Chief Minister explain what impact, if any, the recent revelation that high profile UK
celebrities may have abused children in States of Jersey care homes will have on the Historical
Redress Scheme and the forthcoming proposals for a Committee of Inquiry into historical child
abuse in the Island?”
11. Deputy T.M. Pitman of St. Helier will ask the following question of the Chief Minister –
“Further to his response on 11th September 2012 that the Legislation Advisory Panel was
looking at certain aspects of the terms of Article 3 of the Royal Court (Jersey) Law, will he
clarify whether this will include the appointment process for Jurats?”
14. Deputy M. Tadier of St. Brelade will ask the following question of H.M. Attorney General –
“Would H.M. Attorney General explain whether the Data Protection (Jersey) Law 2005 can be
used, rather than a civil suit, to request the removal of references to an individual on a website or
blog and, if so, how this is done?”
15. Deputy M.R. Higgins of St. Helier will ask the following question of the Chief Minister –
“Can the Chief Minister explain why the scheme documents supplied to claimants under the
Historic Abuse Redress Scheme does not advise that the maximum cost in the case of a failed
appeal to the Independent QC on the level of assessment by the Scheme Lawyers is capped at
approximately £1,000 and is he concerned that several claimants would have appealed their
awards had that been made known to them?”
16. Deputy T.M. Pitman of St. Helier will ask the following question of H.M. Attorney General –
“Were victims told by prosecution lawyers that they could only make statements relating to the
couple who ran Haut de la Garenne and could not name other parties who they alleged also
carried out abuse at the home, and, if so, why would this have been the case?”
2nd question period – Minister for Home Affairs
OK how did they do, did you Here any answers? Lets try again in 2 weeks !
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28 comments:
Case-by-case basis -If abuse is undertaken by a visitor! Get real Gorst. Many of the visitors were given invitations by the Jersey authorities. Surely some of the care staff also knew what was going on.
Trevor you have every right to ask questions about the Jurat appointment process. Class of Jurat Ethnicity the gender etc etc.
It definately is in the public interest given what we know from the Sharp report.
Mr. Bailhache may have chosen to make it personal to deflect from his own conflict, he himself was on the Board of governors of Vic College where a Jurat in question was a teacher at the time of a child abuse scandal and that persons judgement was questionable, the teacher went on to get appointed as a Jurat.
I would like to take this opportunity to support Deputy Pitman's questions on the appointment process for Jurats in the Island; or raise the question of whether they ought to be present at all in the Island's Royal Court.
Within the context of the Island's courts, the Jurats are the principal determiners of fact at first instance and perform a similar role to a jury. There is a problem, however: there is a dilution of accountability and responsibility by virtue of the split roles of judge and jurats. In addition, the fact that the judge has a casting vote on issues of fact in cases of a different of opinion between the jurats means that there is the potential for injustice depending upon the strength of conscience of either jurat and the degree to which the judge, in private, can influence the thinking of the jurat.
I thought Senator Bailhache hit the nail on the head with the timing of all these questions by the one person on the Jurats.
Too much meddling by States Members in court cases and procedures for my liking.
Just because he may decide that it isn't to his liking doesn't mean that everyone else in Jersey has to dislike it.
The Beano is not the Rag
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I have just read the above blog. A Short post, but nevertheless it highlights the stark effect child abuse, can play on a persons life long after the child abuse ceases.
Keep meddling States Members even if derided for doing so. Its not the question but, the answers that are important.
TJW.
Part two of Exclusive interview with former SIO LENNY HARPER
When you have a deputy openly naming people in the States in such a cowardly way and specifically a Jurat who together with others threw out his libel case you have to say thats meddling!
Yes & you are a dinear of curruption, tell us why do we need to have Jurats in our courts why can't we just have the jury system
Jurats or no Jurats, it depends on how you get on with them. If Pitman had won his libel case we wouldn't be seeing any of this, it's as a no brainer.
Thank goodness some deputies are prepared to ask questions and name, names in the States even when intimidated not to do so.
Cowardly no. What is cowardly is to deny deputies the right to do so.
If people cannot answer back its cowardly.
Jurats or no Jurats, it depends on how you get on with them ?
TheJerseyWay never a truer statement. Its not what you know, its who you know.
Mr Bailhache could answer back, there was nothing stopping him answering the question asked about Jurats.
He chose to deride.
Is asking questions about Jimmy Saville cowardly - He cant answer back?
"Is asking questions about Jimmy Saville cowardly - He cant answer back?"
Nor could any of the children he abused.
Did someone suggest that if a Jurat has been complicit in covering up crimes, an elected official should not ask about it in the States? What is the responsibility of an elected representative when he knows a Jurat is entirely too conflicted to serve in a proper court room capacity? If (because of this unmentionable conflict) justice could not meet the test of "appearing" to be done, it cannot be be done.
Who in Jersey is responsible for holding Mr Bailhache to account? Who must hold the Jurat system to account? There must be a balance of power if Jersey claims it is a modern democratic system. I can't see where any system of accountability is guaranteed in Jersey. I can't even see where it is systematically offered.
He actually answered back quite a few times during his lifetime, and then he left an enormous trail of evidence, far more than he would have been able to overcome.
Love the way (on the second recording) the chair says Chief Minister....Then bailhache speaks!!!
Haha, Good catching that one, Ian.
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What hypocrisy! Deputy Pitman complains about some blog that attacks States members during the Data Protection question and his blog + others do precisely that!
If I am hearing this wrong please tell!
Bloggers FIGHTING BACK with truth
TJW.
Jimmy Savile, Haut de la Garenne and the STATE MEDIA
I would like to take this opportunity to support Deputy Pitman's questions on the appointment process for Jurats in the Island; or raise the question of whether they ought to be present at all in the Island's Royal Court.
Lucy, Jersey Homes
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